May 23

Training Methods - Tricks and Treats

>   Training  —  josh  @  8:51 am   

Hi, Josh here - I’m Oscar’s dad, which is to say, I’m his owner. Lately Oscar’s mom, Anya, and I have been debating various training methods we use on Oscar. I’ve been saying we should do less treat/reward based training even though Anya has managed to get Oscar to do some pretty spectacular things (see video below) using treat based training. Let me see if I can explain what bugs me about it.

Now, when we’re training a dog to do something, say, “sit”, the most frequent training method I’ve seen is to get the dog to associate the behavior, sitting, with receiving a reward - which is usually in the form of a verbal acknowledgment (or a click from a clicker trainer) and a food treat. Eventually, the reward can be weaned back in frequency, and hopefully the dog will still perform the behavior. Instead of a food treat, we can also toss a toy or play tug of war as a reward for the dog.

So what, you may ask, is my problem?

Here’s the thing: Oscar is a very “good” dog. He’s very smart, very sweet, and very spoiled. He knows a ton of commands: sit, stay, lie down, sneak, spin, rollover, kiss, jump, shake, high five, stand, and Anya is even trying to teach him how to read - stay tuned for that one.

The issue is that he knows darn well when he’s going to be rewarded for his tricks, and performs them with considerable speed and zeal when the reward is pending (ie, when Anya gets the bag of treats out). He will still perform the tricks pretty well if he doesn’t see the treats, but not nearly as reliably or enthusiastically.

Now, I don’t know what exactly I’m hoping for - is it possible we could have taught him all of these tricks using only verbal praise and excitement as a reward for the tasks?  Probably not. 

I don’t think that the solution is to “hide” the treats so that Oscar never knows when the treat is coming - although perhaps it’s as simple as that. I guess what I really want is for him to do the tricks because he KNOWS it’s the right thing - because he knows it’s what we’re asking. Unfortunately, I think I’m quite likely anthropomorphizing here, and exhibiting a fundamental misunderstanding of the dog psyche.

What are some reader opinions on this topic? Has anyone had success with non-treat based training? Has anyone been able to successfully wean back the treats and still receive the same enthusiastic response from their dog?



2 Comments »

  1. Josh! How can you refuse those eyes and head tilt? Also, I think that treats are used the same way that positive reinforcement is used in children. If dogs could be trained on positive reinforcement alone without treats, then I would agree that food rewards are not necessary. Until that time my friend, keep shelling out those tasty delights so O-Dogg can learn new tricks!

    Comment by Liz — May 29, 2008 @ 1:08 pm   

  2. Howdy Josh - excellent post. And some excellent questions. I’ll try to keep this as short and simple as possible. Remember that every dog is different as we read on. I also want to make it clear how awesome of a job Anya has done teaching Oscar so many cool things.

    First things first; we need to differentiate between “training” your dog and teaching your dog “tricks”. Training means teaching a dog to respond to your commands no matter what is going on around them. ie. lying at your side while another dog walks by. Typically this can not be done with treats, because most dogs will say screw the treat I’m going to meet that new dog. However, if you’ve taught your dog to trust and respect you as the leader of the pack AND clearly shown the dog what you expect of them in that situation they are more likely to “hold the command”. If they don’t, they receive an appropriate correction and placed back in the command. No treats, no negotiation, just do it because i said so and because i want you to be safe. it all comes back to safety for me.

    Now, tricks are fun, and there should be no correction if a dog doesn’t complete the task, hence the “treat based reward system”. However, the treats should be used to teach the dog the activity. Once they’ve got it down they should receive treats less and less. Maybe make him do 3 tricks for one treat. He knows it’s coming so he’ll continue to work. Stretch that out until he does his Yoga, Picks up his toys, gets Anya a tissue, plays hide and seek, “burrows” into the covers, sneaks across the floor, etc. (i’ve seen him do all of these).

    Hope this helps!

    Comment by Mitch — June 4, 2008 @ 4:27 pm   

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